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Noting this up here since it's relevant to both sections: This guidebook's author, Brandon T. Snider, is on Twitter. 64.118.115.97 00:38, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Also noting this up here since it's also relevant to both sections (should've noted it months ago, but better late than never): Editor Erin Stein is on Twitter as well. (7)6(four) (talk) 02:27, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth:

  • Apple Pie: G2 to G4
  • Parasol: G1 to G4
  • Score: G1 to G4
  • Silver Lining: G3 to G4
  • Surprise: G1 to G4

(7)6(four) (talk) 03:54, April 23, 2015 (UTC) (7)6(four) (talk) 02:28, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

Names

Wonderbolts

The Wonderbolts have names listed in Little, Brown's My Little Pony Friendship is Magic official guidebook My Little Pony: The Elements of Harmony, including Spitfire, Soarin, Blaze, Fire Streak, Fleetfoot, High Winds, Lightning Streak, Misty Fly, Rapidfire, Silver Lining, Surprise, and Wave Chill. This may very well raise a question, and depending on the result of that, possibly another question:

  • There are currently unnamed Wonderbolts placeholder named Blaze, Fire Streak, High Winds, Lightning Streak, Silver Lining, Surprise, and Wave Chill on this wiki, but if it turns out that the guidebook doesn't specify which Wonderbolts those seven now-official names belong to, then are they now ineligible to be placeholder names—leaving those seven Wonderbolts in need of new placeholder names—or is them all having been given to Wonderbolts on this wiki (and elsewhere) reason enough to presume that the guidebook has simply changed the status of those names for those seven Wonderbolts from unofficial to official?
    • If those seven Wonderbolts are presumed to be now officially named those names, then that would change the possibility of identifying Rapidfire through process of elimination. His identity is already narrowed down to a male competitor in the Wonderbolts Derby in Sweet and Elite unspecified by the show, but all of the male Wonderbolts there would seemingly have different names...however, The Best Night Ever includes a shot in which Soarin appears at the same time as a Wonderbolt stallion with the same coat and mane colors and mane style as him, meaning that this Soarin lookalike (despite the unlikelihood) would be the only unnamed male Wonderbolt introduced so far who matches the appearance of a competitor in that Derby, thus being—outside of speculating that another Wonderbolt in the Derby has a lookalike—the only currently possible identity of Rapidfire.

Of course, we can't properly discuss this stuff unless we have access to the book, and its release date isn't until June 4, 2013 (the video uploader just received it a week early from Amazon.co.jp), so I don't think we should bother trying to figure things out right now; I'm bringing this up at the moment so that we'll be more ready for it later. 76.9.90.42 13:29, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

I need that book. –Throwy 15:25, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
Well, they took every name from the list, in the order they appear on the list, so I think we should take it as they canonized the names we gave them. Flippy Bear (talk) 22:30, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
I agree. This is a special case where though it's not obvious from the book which Wonderbolt is which, it seems very unlikely that they'd switch the names around. I believe the duplicate Soarin should be treated like duplicate background ponies and assumed to be precisely that, a duplicate, and not its own character. That would make what the layout artist said about Rapidfire now invalid. –Throwy 12:15, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
Wonderbolts Cloudsdale Mini Collection packaging and The Wonderbolts Academy Handbook use Soarin's design for Wave Chill, which could make the Soarin lookalike Wave Chill rather than a duplicate Soarin. (7)6(four) (talk) 02:28, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

Update: The guidebook indeed doesn't specify the identities of any Wonderbolts other than Spitfire and Soarin. 64.118.115.97 22:26, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Update 2: Enterplay's collectible card game has now identified Surprise, so that's one taken care of (thanks to Jristz for pointing it out). (7)6(four) (talk) 23:11, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Update 3: In Enterplay trading card series 3, card #E16 lists Sonic Rainboom as being the first appearance of Soarin, which would leave the appearance in The Ticket Master (fantasized, but card #E3 counts Prince Blueblood's fantasized appearance) to be treated as an earlier appearance of this potential Soarin-lookalike Rapidfire. (7)6(four) (talk) 03:37, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Update 4: The IDW comics' My Little Pony: Friends Forever Issue #18 regular cover is also unspecified-naming Blaze and Fire Streak. (7)6(four) (talk) 07:20, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

Update 5: Rarity Investigates! has since identified Blaze. (7)6(four) (talk) 06:10, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Update 6: Newbie Dash mentions Fire Streak yet again. (7)6(four) (talk) 21:55, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Update 7: Wonderbolts Cloudsdale Mini Collection packaging identifies High Winds, Lightning Streak, Silver Zoom, and Wave Chill. (7)6(four) (talk) 15:39, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Update 8: The Wonderbolts Academy Handbook has since identified all but Rapidfire. (7)6(four) (talk) 02:28, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

Update 9: Ultimate Guide page 135 has since unspecified-named Wind Waker (placeholder name of this stallion) and Sun Chaser (placeholder name of this mare). (7)6(four) (talk) 21:12, April 28, 2018 (UTC)

Apple family

An earlier page of the same guidebook also lists a bunch of names without individual identification: "The extended APPLE FAMILY TREE also includes Aunt and Uncle Orange, Apple Bumpkin, Apple Cider, Apple Cobbler, Apple Fritter, Apple Pie, Apple Strudel, Apple Tart, Buttercream, Caramel Apple, Golden Delicious, and many others!" Here's what we know about those:

64.118.115.97 22:26, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

I guess it's your call since there's no discussion going on. –Throwy 12:59, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
Should Apple Cider and Apple Pie be given name polls, then? Oakydoke (talk) 01:54, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
That's what discussion here is to determine: whether those are their (and whether others are others') official names now. 64.118.115.97 02:00, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
Given that's what happened with 'Buttercream', I'd say to change (but I can't personally add any name polls for a couple of weeks because I'm going on vacation). Oakydoke (talk) 02:31, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
Buttercream's mention in Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell has no indication that she's an Apple family member, but now this guidebook's mention of Apple Cider, Apple Pie, and Buttercream states all three of them to be Apple family members. 64.118.115.97 02:45, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
I thought the point was that names used in merchandise can't be used by show characters (if no connection is given), regardless of either of their roles in their respective media. So, if Apple Cider is listed in the book but not specified, nopony here should be listed as Apple Cider until officially confirmed. Oakydoke (talk) 02:57, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
Generally, yes; however, given that the Wonderbolts in this guidebook may be a special exception, that special exception (if it is decided to be one) could possibly extend to other such names in the guidebook. 64.118.115.97 03:06, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
Whereas the Wonderbolts entry almost certainly implied the List, it appears that a couple of the previously unnamed ponies could be considered almost random 'appley' names... for example, Apple Fritter has already been named on the show so listing in the book sevres little purpose, but what about unofficially named ponies like Pink Lady? I don't know. Honestly, those three in particular appear often enough to be upgraded to official status anyhow. Oakydoke (talk) 03:25, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
I think we should consider it the same situation as the Wonderbolts. Flippy Bear (talk) 15:19, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Update: Gameloft's mobile game is now going to be identifying Apple Pie, so that's one of these taken care of. (On a day-late side note, happy one-year anniversary of this forum discussion page :P) (7)6(four) (talk) 23:20, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Another update: Gameloft's mobile game has since also identified Apple Cider. (7)6(four) (talk) 05:59, December 10, 2014 (UTC) (7)6(four) (talk) 03:37, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Side notes: Perfect Pie/Apple Pie; the IDW comics' My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic Issue #32 Comics World cover RE has this Pinkie Pie. (7)6(four) (talk) 06:10, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Cloudsdale

The IDW comics' My Little Pony: Friends Forever Issue #18 regular cover is similarly unspecified-naming Cloud Break, Lilac Sky, Downdraft, Parasol, Riverdance, Stormbreaker, Madden, and Cosmic. (7)6(four) (talk) 07:20, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

Side note: Gameloft's mobile game has identified this airship as "Lilac Sky Airship" (with another identified as "Lavender Spirit Airship"). (7)6(four) (talk) 06:10, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Update: The Wonderbolts Academy Handbook has since identified Madden and Parasol. (7)6(four) (talk) 02:28, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

Update 2: Mystery pack wave 24 packaging and Stormbreaker collector card identify Stormbreaker. (7)6(four) (talk) 08:42, February 14, 2018 (UTC)

Update 3: Ultimate Guide page 139 has since identified Lilac Sky (collectively with Spring Step without individual specification, but other materials identify Spring Step, so process of elimination). (7)6(four) (talk) 21:12, April 28, 2018 (UTC)

Boy Bullies

Pony A Page! (this magazine)'s Hoops description is also-similarly unspecified-naming Dumb-Bell and Score. (7)6(four) (talk) 02:28, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

Raver

Enterplay collectible card game Defenders of Equestria #32 R makes Pacific Glow the official name of potentially either "Pacific Glow" or "Azure Velour" (or "Flashdancer"). (7)6(four) (talk) 12:48, June 11, 2017 (UTC)

Sounds legit to me. Too specific to refer to any other character. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 21:24, June 7, 2018 (UTC)

Conclusion

So? Is there any objection to those names being marked as official? I think they should. And on a side note, the guidebook also mentioned the Cloudeseum. Also, Golden Oak Library, rather than Golden Oaks. Like in Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell (first page of Chapter 11) and Stuck on Stories. Maybe that should be revised? Flippy Bear (talk) 00:41, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

I have been meaning to compile a list of sources for spellings of (the) Golden Oak(s) Library; now that you've asked, I'll finally get around to it and start a separate forum discussion later today/night. 64.118.119.131 00:50, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
Forum:(The) Golden Oak(s) Library. 64.118.119.131 07:06, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
Reviving this forum because it has gone stale: I support making the Wonderbolts and Apple family names official. It's more logical than scrapping all our current placeholder names and making new polls. As for specific cases that were brought up, I support the following:
  • Treating Soarin's duplicate in the Best Night Ever screenshot as nothing more than a duplicate
  • Changing "Sundowner" to Buttercream
  • Making "Apple Cider" and "Apple Pie" official
Please let me know if I overlooked any unanswered issues, and please don't let this forum fizzle out. This needs to be addressed. ~Steph physarum (talk) 05:45, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
There is the issue of "Rapidfire" being an in-show name for one of a finite selection of ponies. (7)6(four) (talk) 18:14, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Oh boy. I don't want to sound like I'm proposing a cop-out, but since we have no information about which pony Rapidfire is, can we leave him unidentified and picture-less on his entry on the list of Wonderbolts? ~Steph physarum (talk) 04:21, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
The Wonderbolts Academy Handbook pretty much reclassifies Rapidfire from unidentified to unidentifiable, so that's kinda all we can do about him. (7)6(four) (talk) 02:28, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

Lilac Sky is now being treated as known; what does this mean regarding Buttercream, Cloud Break, Cosmic, Downdraft, Fire Streak, High Winds, Lightning Streak, Madden, Parasol, Rapidfire, Riverdance, Silver Lining, Stormbreaker, and Wave Chill? (7)6(four) (talk) 07:48, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

The use of these names seems to me too precise to be a coincidence. Personally, I think it's okay to treat these names as official for the ponies they're currently assigned to -- unless new material specifies otherwise. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 07:59, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
In that case, the only remaining issue would be Rapidfire (or whichever one of the Wonderbolts members); I don't suppose Rarity Investigates! revealing additional Wonderbolts members S05E15 Unnamed Pegasus Mare #1 and "Sun Chaser" to exist could somehow solve that (the IDW comics' My Little Pony: Friends Forever Issue #11 revealed even more additional Wonderbolts members to exist, though not necessarily present-day members)... (7)6(four) (talk) 08:30, January 28, 2016 (UTC) (7)6(four) (talk) 02:28, June 10, 2017 (UTC)
And now Newbie Dash reveals further additional Wonderbolts member "Wind Waker"... (7)6(four) (talk) 21:55, May 7, 2016 (UTC) (7)6(four) (talk) 02:28, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

The dual naming of Misty Fly/Icy Mist could suggest that at least one other dual naming exists unconfirmed, specifically of Silver Zoom/Silver Lining. Oh boy... (7)6(four) (talk) 15:39, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

The Wonderbolts Academy Handbook has since confirmed his dual naming. (7)6(four) (talk) 02:28, June 10, 2017 (UTC)