Return to Discord

Contents 1 Powers 2 Tribute 3 Dragonokis, draconequis, or draconequus 4 Mythology 5 Possible Defeat 6 Discord's past deeds 7 Discord as the Creator? 8 Discord's limbs 9 Pegasus victory 10 Discord's Escape from Imprisonment 11 Is Discord actually evil? 12 What becomes of the stone Discord? 13 Where did Discord come from? 14 Star Swirl the Bearded = Discord?

PowersEdit

Despite his goofy exterior and mannerisms, Discord is very, very powerful, possibly more than Nightmare Moon or Celestia. He was able to warp reality, taking away Rarity and Twilight's horns, and Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy's wings, and spiriting away the elements of harmony. Not even Princess Luna's alter ego at the height of her power was capable of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.71.185 (talk • contribs) 12 September 2011

More Powerful Actually. Celestia said that both her and Luna weren't strong enough to challenge him until they discovered the Elements, which are said to be the most powerful artifacts of their universe. If Nightmare Moon had been able to challenge Celestia and kidnap her so easily, think of what fighting Discord must have been like. And for all we know, he could be weak from just escaping imprisonment, and like you said, he's been a huge goofball, so imagine what he could do at full power if he really wanted to. Tolas of Brand 23:00, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

I am rather the much sure that, if he wanted to, he could completely annihalate all of Equestria. But where would the fun be in that? Also, that's what you'd expect a normal all-powerful villain to do, so he probably didn't do that for that very reason.BronyLiche 08:32, March 21, 2012 (UTC)BronyLiche

I think Discord and the Elements are both the most powerful beings in Equestria. Both have the same power, but one is an opposite of another, with Discord symbolising Chaos and the Elements symbolising Order. Elements are more powerful, you say? Not really. Discord easily stole them and vanquished them inside the mave six. So did the Elements with Discord - they only imprisoned him. They could destroy NMM leaving only good side of Luna, but they couldn't destroy Discord once and for all. Anyway, I think, that there's much more connection between Discord and the Elements than the Elements being only a tool to defeat Discord as anyone else.

I wouldn't expect Celestia and Luna to be able to beat Discord. As powerful as they are, they're still only mortals, whereas Discord is linked to chaos itself. It was stated that he was a spirit of disharmony; a spirit isn't a god, so I wouldn't go so far as to say that he is chaos, but he's still greater than a mere mortal. It makes sense to me that only someone or something supernatural would be capable of defeating him, and not just some super-powerful brute-force attack but something more than that, something that's powered by or is another force in the universe.

I have a little theory about Discord's abilities. It seems that he's powered by chaos, as was shown to us in the first episode of season 2, when he was freed by the Cutie Mark Crusaders' disagreement. But what's interesting is that it seems like he can't draw strength from it if it's too far away, it has to be near him. So what if he can cause chaos and then gain strength from his own results and then use his increased powers to cause more chaos, creating a vicious cycle? I think that the more powerful Discord becomes, the farther away he can be from some kind of unbalance, but still feed off of it, and also control things from farther and farther away. I also think that he has omnipotence within his sphere of influence. --Reversalmushroom 09:50, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

TributeEdit

His ability to warp reality as he sees fit may be a tribute to his voice actor's most well known character, Q, who is able to alter anything he wants with a snap and a flash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.51.247 (talk • contribs) 12 September 2011

Dragonokis, draconequis, or draconequusEdit

The closed captions of The Return of Harmony Part 1 spell the word describing Discord's stone statue as "draconequis", while The Hub's website spells it "dragonokis". The word might be formed from Greek "drakon" and Latin "equus", meaning lizard-horse. -Throwawaytv 22:26, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Draconequus would be the most latin version. PonyPal 04:50, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

I tend to use draconequus. ~Supuhstar* 19:08, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

MythologyEdit

Discord's himself, his abilities and also his relation to chaos is based on Eris, the Greek Goddess of Strife and Discord. If this is the case, either both Princess Celestia and Princess Luna were also based on Harmonia, the Greek Goddess of Harmony and Concord. -Duo2nd 13:15, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Discord's fondness of being a trickster could be based off of Loki, the Norse trickster God.

Discord seems to have a trivial role, like the greek Goddess Eris(a very minor goddess), who did not appear in most mythology (Discord could also be based off of Nemesis, another goddess known for her evil deeds and few apperances). However, when Eris did act out one time, the consequences were dire, as she indirectly caused the Trojan War. According to myth, Eris was not invited to a wedding party (being the goddess of discord, everyone would be unhappy), but showed up anyways, carrying a golden apple that had "To the Fairest" written on it. Eris threw it into the middle, and Aphrodite, Athena, and Hera all claimed it for themselves, though Zeus made a mortal called Paris of Troy decide who should get the apple. Aphrodite promised Paris marriage to Helen of Sparta if he gave her the apple. Of course, Paris gave it to Aphrodite, and kidnapped Helen and brought her back to Troy, thus starting the Trojan War, which tore the Olympian family apart with some siding with the greeks, and other with the trojans. In the end, the gods supporting the Trojans (Ares, Apollo, Aphrodite, Enyo, Artemis, Phobos, and Deimos) were defeated, and Troy was defeated with the Trojan Horse. Obviously, the losses were great, and all started because of Eris and the golden apple. Though Luna might symbolize Artemis, the moon goddess, and Celestia might symbolize her older brother Apollo or Helios, both sun Gods.   -User:kingtiger13123 2013

Possible DefeatEdit

Discord seems to do only things that are unexpected. He might have been able to steal the elements, because they expected no one could steal them. He gave back their wings and horns, and it was most likely that no one expected that he would. It is that the way possible that to stop him or mess him up, is to want and expect the chaos, making harmony the unexpected. 99.196.62.14 09:37, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

This strategy could be problematic. If the strategy is employed, then naturally the expectation is that Discord will do something unexpected. If it is expected that Discord will do something unexpected, then Discord will instead do something expected, but all that is expected is what is unexpected, which means that Discord will do something unexpected, but all that is unexpected is what is expected, so... You get the idea. By calling the logically impossible into existence, the user of the strategy will have plunged Equestria into an even greater chaos, thus delighting Discord and certainly not defeating him.

It also goes without saying that Discord still uses some form of order, even when his game is at it's most chaotic. The very nature of chaos being what it is, the closest event to it in any universe would be entropy. The fact remains, though, that Discord isn't just tearing things down: he's weakening the bonds that hold things together, allowing them to be torn down on their own... and, from that mess, he rebuilds it after his likeness. He doesn't make bunnies rot away; he wears away at the laws of dimensional space, and stretches their legs to make them taller. He doesn't separate clouds into hydrogen and oxygen; he waits until there are no clouds in the sky, evaporates the water, adds chemicals to it, and creates a kind of cotton-candy cloud that will condense into chocolate rain. It's quite possible that the Elements of Harmony created Discord, who then created Luna and Celestia as the first equine life forms, which eventually created he three races of equines in Equestria; and, the only true way to beat him might very well be to strengthen the bonds that we might consider natural laws... restricting his version of reality, with harmony that says it can't happen that way. Expecting chaos would only allow for more chaos, which gives him the opportunity to create his new order.

Discord's past deedsEdit

Discord may have been the one to turn Luna into Nightmare moon. While there's no proof of this yet, Discord has the power to change ponies' personalities and fill them with doubt. It was also said that someone or something turned Luna evil, and Discord is a very easy fit for this given what we've seen of him so far. This also may be why he was smiling as a stone statue-he knew he had already won. All he had to do was wait for his prison to weaken over time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.58.202 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 21 September 2011

If Discord turned Luna into Nightmare Moon she would have been grey and looked the same as Luna. PonyPal 04:53, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

He may not have turned Luna into Nightmare Moon, per se, but created Nightmare Moon and forced that identity into Luna; this would not require taking away any of the traits Luna embodies and consequently would not leave her looking grey. 86.166.167.58 21:28, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Discord may have been the one to "create" Celestia and Luna. It has been established that Equestria was founded by earth ponies, pegasi, and unicorns; no mention of ponies with both horns and wings. It was mentioned that Discord made life hard for the three types of ponies and that Celestia and Luna rose up to fight him. I speculate that they were one of the three types of pony and in the fight they were transformed into the combo-creatures they are now. The result of their victory and their transformation led to them becoming rulers of Equestria. Kc2dpt 02:59, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Aside from a possible Celestia/Luna creation, Discord could also have created the elements of harmony. His creation of them would explain how he has so much power over the elements. (He stole them from a locked vault.) He appears to have more power over them than Celestia or Twilight. It would also explain why he hid them but in a way they could be found instead of destroying the only thing in the universe that could re-imprison him. He was far more concerned with destroying the friendship of the ponies than with destroying the elements. He also speaks about them with fondness (laughter being his "personal favorite"). No powerful being would be expected to create the only thing capable of destroying him. So, it makes sense for Discord to do precisely what was not expected.

Discord was already turned to stone the first time before Luna turned into Nightmare Moon, otherwise she and Celestia couldn't have used the Elements of Harmony to turn him to stone Ghostkaiba297 (talk)

Discord as the Creator?Edit

Discord might have created the entire world Equestria is located in. Seeing how he is able to control every aspect of it without any apparent effort (as opposed to unicorn magic or pegasus weather control), he should at least be capable enough for that. Then at some point his creations (Celestia and Luna) defeated him, only to discover that the world doesn't run automatically, making it necessary to perform tasks like rising the sun or changing the seasons manually.

Also, to make even wilder speculations, he might have designed the ponies to be especially prone to mental breakdowns. Luna becoming NMM and Celestia banishing her for 1000 years might be both cases of such breakdowns, and might also make Celestia realize that the peace in Equestria is metastable at best. To counteract this, she began anchoring the importance of friendship in the pony culture, and tasking some ponies to write her reports about it. Those reports would be primarily a tool to preserve Celestia's sanity, by constantly reminding her of how friendship works, and also allowing her to stay in touch with the "lower" ponies.

Here I'm assuming that Twilight (and the other main characters) aren't the only ones who write those reports, and maybe overestimating those breakdowns they had. Also, I have no idea where to fit the Elemens of Harmony in all this. Also, one could argue that creating a yandere species would make it way too easy for Discord, and therefore "boring". He might probably rather do the opposite, making the ponies "righteous", so that it would be more "fun" to corrupt them or to watch them suffer. Speaking of corruption, he actually failed with Fluttershy, resorting to direct manipulation. 188.174.125.164 01:51, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Here is a theory I have been developing regarding Discord and his link to Equestria. Many things in this theory have been hinted on in earlier posts, so please bear with me. It is evident that Discord has complete control over physics and non-sentient beings, and partial control over the sentient. While he was fully conscious, clouds moved and precipitated independent of pagasi control, and the sun and moon rose without unicorn magic. When he was turned to stone, these things lost independent functionality. (Following this train of thought, it's safe to assume that if Discord were destroyed, the very laws of physics would unravel, destroying their universe.) Here's my theory; Discord began his life as a common Windigo (Creatures that feed off of chaotic emotions, specifically anger and hatred,) and gained enough power to not only freeze his hosts, but also take on some of their core characteristics as he fed off of them. As he moved from host to host, he gained ever-increasing sentience, power, and a myrad of body parts. Eventually, he had enough power and intelligence to tie himself in to the fabric of reality, giving him all the power he could possibly want. Having ascended to near-god status, and having such a vast intellect, he quickly became bored. Therefore, as a former windigo, he turned to something that was comfortable and familiar; chaos. Long story short, he wreaks havok on Equestria for a few centuries, then Celestia and Luna turn up and turn him into stone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.105.41.208 (talk • contribs)

Discord's limbsEdit

The assorted animals that Discord is made out of may not be entirely random. All of his limbs are used by artists as inspiration for their own pictures of dragons. Deer legs are commonly used when artists want to draw a slender beast, or lion paws when they want something dangerous, and the serpentine body structure is often used for Chinese dragons. This may indeed be a stretch: many artists get inspiration from many different animals, but at first many use the more obvious creatures like Lions, birds, and snakes.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.58.202 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 21 September 2011

It has also been suggested that Discord's limbs are those of creatures seen in Season 1, for example, his lion paw was from the manticore.71.58.95.65 03:13, March 26, 2012 (UTC)plumander

Pegasus victoryEdit

In the Greek myth, the Chimera was only beaten by a man riding Pegasus, because Pegasus was so fast and agile it could avoid its fiery breath. While it's obvious that Fluttershy had beaten Discord before he just brute forced it, it is arguable that Rainbow Dash also won in a way. Rainbow Dash was showing loyalty to her hometown when she left the game. She is the only one where it is arguable that she is still shown using her element while brainwashed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.58.202 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 21 September 2011

Discord's Escape from ImprisonmentEdit

I think the reason Discord escaped from his stone imprisonment was because of the disharmony between Applebloom, Sweetie Belle, and Scootaloo in his presence. Disharmony may be what fuels his power, and having disharmony nearby probably gave him enough power to escape. I don't believe it was ever said how Discord escaped: the seal that imprisoned him wasn't going to eventually break like it did with Nightmare Moon, so this theory can fit. YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE ME! 19:43, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, he escaped because the Elements of Harmony had switched hooves and the spell made by Luna and Celestia had slowly been deteriorating ever since Night Mare Moon's defeat. Although the CMC's fighting might've given him the final drops of "chaos-juice" to break free it was mostly because the elements had reset themselves to new wielders. Quetzatoul 05:28, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Is Discord actually evil?Edit

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Yeah, he's evil. Although he does acts that others could find enjoyment out of (Pinkie loves chocolate) he went out of his way to make it so ALL the mane six could use their element, where just one would ruin their power. He also must have caused a plethra of hardships before Luna and Celestia first imprisoned him.

I don't know, I think it's more a case of Blue and Orange Morality than anything else, really. Discord isn't really evil in the same way that many of the Trickster Gods weren't evil; they simply have a radically different morality code that we don't understand. In fact, he reminds me a great deal of Loki who was a pest at his worst (before he killed Baldur). With that in mind, I submit that he just took one of his tricks too far, and the sisters crammed him into a statue. Illyrias Acolyte 21:12, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

From what I gathered, Discord views everything around him as nothing more than tools for him to play with and change for his own personal amusement. He's kind of like the kid with the magnifying glass who burns ants: he simply believes they and their values, emotions, etc are so far below him that there is nothing wrong with destroying them just for a cheap laugh. Since the show is from the ponies POV, then yes. Discord is incredibly, 100% evil with absolutely no redeeming characteristics to be displayed whatsoever. Look at how he acts when Fluttershy resists his mindrape: he briefly looses his goofball mentality and gets pretty damned angry, and it didn't take a whole lot to push him to that. Also, toward the end when the mane 6 confronts him and he uses his powers to pull them all into the air in front of him: It's implied he was basically going to destroy them right then and there, had Twilight not surprised and intrigued him by putting up the shield and rescuing them. While it's true that he has a playful and almost childish personality, that doesn't mean that he's not evil at the same time. Danieltepeskraus 17:28, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

What becomes of the stone Discord?Edit

We never see him following him getting turned to stone the second time. One guy said he broke in half when he fell over but I don't believe that as we never got any evidence to it. What do you think is done with him after he is turned back to stone? Any theories? (Or will he be making a full non-flashback reappearance in Season 3?) Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 00:34, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I like to think that they moved him to a secure location where no one could physically get to him. Does anybody else think that he got free because of the Cutie Mark Crusader's argument?

--Who would win in a fight between you and yo mama? (talk) 03:23, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

I believe I heard somewhere that Discord will indeed make a reappearance in S3, though I can't recall where I heard this. I also did hear that Discord was freed due to their argument. He may be freed again with another argument, or maybe he might figure out how to free himself purposely. Guess we'll just have to wait and see... The sky's not the limit, but our point of view.

I could honestly see Celestia sending Discord to the moon. Or maybe Luna, she seemed to fly from the moon in A Canterlot Wedding Part 1, except she's not trapped there anymore. Before she was imprisoned IN the moon, but could be able to go ON the moon now. Anyway, Celestia will want to make sure he can't break free again if the Mane 6 ever lose connection to the Elements. Of course I've also speculated that Celestia banished the Hydra of Froggybottom Bog and the Parasprites from Fillydelphia to the moon, so one can only imagine what they'd do to him there...

Aerostar, John de Lancie said he will be doing a voice in Season 3, but has not specified whether it will be Discord or another character, maybe that's what you heard. Although he does have a distintive voice, so it would be hard for him to do a different character. I think it likely either he will return or a backstory will be shown.

And yes, I do not think it's coincidence that Discord broke out right after the Cutie Mark Crusaders' argument. I think the seal weakens once the ones who cast it lose connection to the Elements, then all it takes is an act of chaos to be performed in front of him. Did Celestia and Luna lose connection when Luna became Nightmare Moon a thousand years ago, or was it when the Mane 6 became connected to them? Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 04:13, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I think he (John de Lancie) will voice Discord, and it'll be for a flashback of when he ruled Equestria, and the episode will be about Celestia and Luna and how they discovered the Elements and defeated Discord, and then were crowned royalty.

--Who would win in a fight between you and yo mama? (talk) 04:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Anypony who knows what Keep Calm and Flutter On will know now that Celestia kept Discord around and eventually assigns the Mane 6 to reform him. How they're going to do such a thing I don't know, but we'll see. Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 07:25, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Where did Discord come from?Edit

He didn't always exist, because he wasn't present or at least active during the founding of Equestria, and that predates his first known appearance, and it doesn't make sense to me that a being of chaos would exist since the beginning of time without being active for the first several millennia of it's life. If he'd had always existed, then shouldn't he have been causing chaos since the dawn of time? This leads me to believe that Discord came into existence later, and if that's true, then how? I have a theory. Discord has body parts from 9 different animals, right? Well, what if Discord has 9 parents? What if in the My Little Pony universe, when 9 animals mate at the same time, it makes a draconequus?

Also, Cheerilee referred to Discord as a draconequus, meaning that there were or have been more than one.

--Who would win in a fight between you and yo mama? (talk) 03:23, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

The creators have hinted there is a bigger villain who was involved with Nightmare Moon and Discord. Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 21:06, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Star Swirl the Bearded = Discord?Edit

1. John de Lancie (Discord's voice actor) is confirmed to return in season 3.
2. Whenever Discord hypnotized one of the main 6, stars swirling around appeared in the background.
3. When Discord hypnotized Rainbow Dash, silhouette of the maze was shown with its center being a swirl.
4. Whenever Discord disappears or makes things disappear, stars appear.
5. Both Star Swirl the Bearded and Discord have a beard.
6. Cheerilee stated that Discord has a pony head.
7. Discord traveled back in time with Twilight, and Star Swirl is the inventor of time travel spells.
8. There is a huge mysterious hourglass in Star Swirl the Bearded wing counting down to something.
9. Luna's book has stars and a swirl. During the Failure Song, there is a tower with these same markings on the sharp left (when Twilight sings "I wasn't prepared for this" for the first time).
10. Twilight played as Clover the Clever who was Star Swirl's apprentice.
11. Twilight dressed as Star Swirl in Luna Eclipsed.
12. Twilight said that Star Swirl is father of the amniomorphic spell. Word "amniomorphic" sounds like it has something to do with morphing (transforming) things. Obviously, Discord looks like a product of multiple, successful or not, transformations.
13. Discord's theater seats have stars on the edges.
14. Two of the three episodes next to the Crystal Empire two-parter on "Adventures in the Crystal Empire" DVD mention Star Swirl the Bearded (Luna Eclipsed and It's About Time).
15. Discord ruled over Equestria sometime in the past. Equestria's founding must have taken place before his reign, as Celestia and Luna were not around yet. That was also the time when Star Swirl lived. Then he would have been corrupted to Discord and took over Equestria, and then the regal sisters appeared and defeated him.
16. Twilight's "next level of studies" might not be under Luna, but actually Discord.
    
    

Considering those facts, what do you think? Xeoxer (talk) 15:08, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Cheerilee said Horse head not a pony headI rather listen to reason rather then listen to nonsense 15:18, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Lol okay. For one thing, what does Twilight have to do with it? And for another, most of those are very vague or irrelevant. I haven't looked to see but it sounds like the stars are just decorations or effects. I don't see any proof of a connection. I could be wrong, but we don't know anything about this upcoming stuff so anyone could be. And Doopliss, could you at least try to get your facts right? If you'd rather not listen to nonsense, as your sig says, you must be covering your ears whenever you post... ~Bobogoobo (talk) 15:22, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Does that shape look like a pony shape head to you?->I rather listen to reason rather then listen to nonsense 15:26, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Cheerilee: This creature is called a draconequus. He has the head of a pony and a body of all sorts of other things. What do you suppose that represents? Xeoxer (talk) 15:52, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

WellI was wrong with what Cheerilee said, but she gave a wrong describtion due to the fact the shape is different and this is coming from his apperance on his page. "The word "draconequus" is composed of the Latin "draco" and "equus", meaning "dragon-horse". Discord is a combination of many body parts from different creatures. His head is horse-like, much different from the other" I rather listen to reason rather then listen to nonsense 15:58, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Even if so. Don't you think magic could do that? Look at "Star Wars": magic has turned the chancellor's face into an ugly antic. Or "Harry Potter": as a boy, Voldemort was very handsome, but after he used black magic, he turned into that guy with snake-like face. --Linneer (talk) 21:53, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Star Wars and Harry Potter is an entirely different sorts of fiction than MLP; and "magic" was never featured in Star Wars, it's more in the lines of "Psychic" based powers. They don't really apply here. We really won't know until it has been proven, despite the circumstantial evidence. Yo buddy, still alive? (talk) 22:37, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

One more piece of evidence. Celestia tells Twilight that Star Swirl the Bearded did not understood friendship like she does. Discord did not know anything about friendship since he never had friends until Fluttershy became his friend. The Americanized Brony03:15, February 17, 2013 (UTC)