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Flowing mane

Luna's flowing mane might indicate she is slowly regaining her magic power, as suggested in a comment by Lauren Faust on her deviantArt page. –Throwawaytv 18:38, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Flowing Mane Luna was only shown when she appeared at Night in Luna Eclipsed and the 2 Canterlot Wedding episodes, while the 'standard' mane Luna was shown only during the dawn and daytime during part 2 of Friendship is Magic (the episode), so perhaps Luna only gains a Flowing Starry Night-esque mane and tail when its actually night time, while she has a normal pony, and light blue, mane and tail during the day, when she's rarely seen to begin with. At least thats my theory until the Starry Night Flowing Mane is shown during the day time. Deva Ashera (talk) 19:16, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

The season 3 eight minute preview shows her with the starry night flowing mane when its still day time as when twilight leaves the castle the sun is out and the sky is blue, so that's probably a confirmed no now.Mariya Ranevskaya (talk) 03:28, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

The Elements of Harmony

When Princess Celestia lectured the mane six in The Return of Harmony Part 1, she said that she and her sister were no longer connected to the Elements of Harmony. But she didn't explain why. There are several possiblilties:

- the relationship between Luna and her sister isn't as harmonious as it seems at the end of Friendship is Magic, part 2.

- in that episode, Luna hasn't regained her full power yet and therefore was too weak to wield the Elements of Harmony together with her sister

- the use of the Elements by the mane six seperated the two princesses from their connection; and the mane six will be no longer connected when another group will use the power of the Elements

- the connection to the Elements has gone lost because once they were used to defeat Luna

- the connection has gone lost because Luna has been transformed into Nightmare Moon (but this isn't very likely as the mane six got corrupted, too)

Any other suggestions? I'm curious. Linneer 11:39, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Tbh, onky one argument is needed to debunk all 'theories'. And thats that Celestia used the elements of harmony by herself agains't Luna, and I doubt that their relationship wasn't 'fractured' when Luna claimed to be jealous and angry.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.160.193 (talkcontribs) 00:37, 28 November 2011
You only repeat my theses 4 and 5 with other words. That's not debunking, that's just confirming. Linneer 22:32, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
I got this other theory, that the elements may only be used by someone with good intentions, or who is trying to mantain balance in the world. Or maybe Mollestia has admin rights on the elements and banned NM/Luna from using them.186.133.63.28 11:27, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
Do you think the princesses have no good intentions when it's up to defeat Discord again? Why? Linneer 18:13, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
I always assumed that Celestia and Luna can't use the Elements anymore because Twilight Sparkle and the other main ponies were connected to them now.--Wickedwizerd22 00:00, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
In other words, the EoH are Bind on Pickup.
Strictly my opinion, but I think Linneer's last three theories, above, are each partially true (in terms of the Ponyverse). Luna would have essentially broken her connection to the Elements by becoming Nightmare Moon, after all, but the Elements of Harmony aren't supposed to be wielded by a single pony anyway (as witness Celestia and Luna using them against Discord). Celestia was still able to use them to contain Nightmare Moon, but couldn't access their full power by herself (to say nothing of likely being scared of hurting Luna)... and for the Elements to be used against one of the Bearers, well... not particularly harmonious. 137.118.253.101 14:15, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Just a thought... which Elements do you think Celestia originally wielded, and which Luna? Given what little we see of their behavior, off the top of my head, I'd go with:
Celestia: Laughter ("Gotcha.", to say nothing of the Gala), Loyalty (waiting a thousand years for her sister), Kindness (oh, so many instances)
Luna: Magic (given her skill with illusions), Generosity (I admit I'm on shaky ground, here), Honesty (again, shaky ground)137.118.253.101 14:23, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Its shown at the start of season 3 that celestia weilds the elements of magic, kindness and generosity and luna had loyalty, honesty and laughter. These then spin around them both so it may be that they both have control of all elements which could explain how celestia could use them alone. weekimbo97 02:40 march 9, 2014 (UTC)
Clearly the reason neither can use them is because the Mane 6 solo-bonded each one which creates a stronger connection than the princesses' dual-wielding/trio-wielding skills. talk2ty 09:26, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Nocturnal?

You know, there's probably a very simple explanation for this: Celestia, being the older and more powerful of the siblings, was the primary controller of the Elements of Harmony. When they fought Discord, Luna helped, but Celestia probably led the attack, much like how Twilight was in the lead whenever the mane six used the Elements. So when Luna was turned into Nightmare Moon, she was probably cut off from the Elements because she became a being of disharmony. But the spell that imprisoned Discord was still intact because Celestia was still connected to the Elements. Basically, at least one Pony from the previous group who weilded the Elements must still be connected to them for Discord to remain trapped. Wolfgang DelaSangre 10:06, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
I'm guessing since most of Luna's appearances were at night, and being princess of the night, Luna may be nocturnal. 71.80.81.1 17:02, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
Since she raises the moon which signals nocturnal creatures, she most likely switches with Celestia doing duties when night comes and vice versa so they don't overexhaust themselves, I imagine what struggle Celestia went through during those 1000 years if this were true.Mariya Ranevskaya (talk) 03:32, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 Unfortunately the writers don't follow this idea consistently: in the episode Magic Duel, Twilight performs some magic for the delegates from Saddle Arabia, accompanied by Princess Celestia. Although it was at nighttime, Princess Luna again wasn't there. Why so? --Linneer (talk) 10:21, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
Several fan depictions of Celestia show her with pink hair. The way I see it, Celestia was born that way, Luna had her 'normal' hair at birth as well, but then she turned into Nightmare Moon. Celestia got her rainbow mane when she used the elements herself to banish Luna. Luna has her starry mane now simply because she's growing up, and was rather young when she was imprisoned. I mean, we went from winter to fall to summer again in just a few episodes, Lord knows the time elapsed between Friendship is Magic Part 2 and Luna Eclipsed. Just my two cents. Psycho Fox 09:10, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

More powerful than Celestia?

In the beginning, it is said that Celestia had to use the power of the Elements of Harmony to banish Luna to the Moon. That implies that either Luna is more powerful than her sister or that, when she got filled by the bitterness and jealousy and became Nightmare Moon, she got more powerful.

Another thing that leaves me thinking is how she knew about Starswirl the Bearded, down to the detail of the bells. Could it be that, just like Twilight Sparkle is Celestia's student, Starswirl was Luna's?

And to add more cospiracy theories, you guys think she's gonna teach Twilight magic somewhere around Season 3? I'm probably just picking straws and stretching everything, but why would Celestia prefer to risk the Crystal Empire than send Luna with the other girls? Also, the cold stare she gives to Twilight when she's leaving the throne room was kinda uncalled for, not to mention it's right after Celestia talks about Twi going up a level at her studies. Yea, it was the middle of a crisis, but being that stressed because she'd been left with protecting Equestria? I think she was also pondering on Twilight as her student. 189.21.130.210 17:43, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps Luna is/was also Celestia's student, and she was jealous at how fast Twi has been advancing in her studies while Luna is still not back at full power after being brought down from NMM state; and since technicly she did betray Celestia, Twi can be the sole holder of the title of "most faithful student"... --Tigro Spottystripes (talk) 01:44, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

I guess we can confirm that Nightmare Moon is more powerful. I'm not sure about Luna, but Nightmare Moon easily defeats Celestia in the flashback of the Season 4 premier and only with the Elements was Celestia able to win Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 02:55, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

What is the true nature of Nightmare Moon?

At first glance, when we saw the episode, we all thought "Nightmare Moon is Luna corrupted, transformed by her jealousy and bitterness, and got decorrupted by the Elements of Harmony". That was what the episode implied. But now there are several theories about her which have even been hinted at by Lauren Faust, when she said "Luna was no longer present; jealousy buried her inside Nightmare Moon". It's also been hinted there was an outside force involved in the transformation.

This has led me to believe Nightmare Moon is a manifestation of Luna's dark side, all her jealousy and bitterness, magnified by the dark magic of this outside force to possess her. Also, while Luna was remorseful after being turned back, this can be explained by her becoming resentful enough to allow this transformation to take place, as well as saying "I've missed you so much" to Celestia, when Nightmare Moon would have hated her throughout those thousand years for banishing her, and imprisons her upon return.

What are your thoughts there? (and if you think of comics as canon, what of the nightmare forces?) Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 02:36, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

IMO the appearance is not an essential component of Nightmare Moon, she just looks that way because she wants to. A hint to that is Luna's "costume" on Nightmare Night. --Tigro Spottystripes (talk) 14:11, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
I always thought of that as her using her magic to take the physical form of Nightmare Moon, since it was her body transformed by the darkness after all. And it said "the bitterness in the young one's heart had transformed her into a wicked mare of darkness, Nightmare Moon".
Also, in the comics (even though I view them as non-canon) it's strongly implied that Nightmare Rarity is the spirit of Nightmare Moon possessing Rarity. (though IMO Nightmare Moon, or atleast the darkness in Luna that made her Nightmare Moon, was destroyed, shattered to pieces, by the Elements of Harmony in the second episode) Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 05:10, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
They could be talking about her personality, and not necessarily her appearance. --Tigro Spottystripes (talk) 09:30, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
If we're to believe in the genuineness of Twi's vision in PTSp2 then NMM is Luna's battle form. While it seemed emotional in nature, I would not say it is necessarily jealous, though anger and bitterness seem appropriate. We should assume vision-canon to trust legend-canon, and there are conflicts between them. Luna is never heard actually promising eternal night, just refusing to do her chores. Any introduction of an 'outside force' is mere retcon. talk2ty 09:29, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

About entering the dreams...

When Scootaloo was about to wake up, Luna made a worried expression and hurried out of her dream. She disappeared into the moon in the last moment before Scootaloo woke up. Could it be possible that if someone wakes while she's in their dream, her mind will be trapped inside the dream realm? Xeoxer (talk) 20:43, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

I always personally thought that she was just concerned for Scootaloo and wanted to talk about her fears for longer. The last thing Luna says as she dissapears is "Face your fears!" and that she said it as a last attempt to help the filly. At the end of the episode she looks happy and relaxed that Scootaloo talked to Rainbow Dash about it.

My imagination of the dream world is much like where 'Celestia's ballad' takes place in 'Magical Mystery Cure', but instead of showing someone's life it shows dreams ponies are having. Luna watches the dreams once she has risen the moon and stops any bad ones, in order to enter a dream she must choose an object to help her manifest in the dream, (she chose the moon in Scootaloo's dream before showing up as herself, possibly because she was unable to suddenly appear.) The only problem of this is that Luna shows up as herself normaly in the first dream without taking place of an object or another character (unless she was a tree or rock). The only explaination I can really think of is that she wasn't a focus to Scootaloo in the dream, and couldn't speak to her unless she became a focus by strengthening her bond to the dream by manefesting through an object. Nocturekiero (talk) 16:11. October 29th 2013 (UTC)

Immortality

Is she immortal? She has to be. Think about it; how else could she have survived on the moon for 1K years with no food, water, or, that most vital necessity, oxygen?DBZFan12 (talk) 02:04, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

She wasn't on the moon. She was sealed in the moon. furdklZ.png 2xoHxMt.gif 02:38, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

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