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MetaXzero

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October 17, 2011

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Big MacIntosh or Big McIntosh?

As of Lauren Faust's Big Apple upload on her Deviantart page, this article has become Big McIntosh. However. http://sibsy.deviantart.com/

Sabrina Alberghetti who is currently a Senior Storyboard Artist for the show says it is Big Macintosh.

Should we change the article's title? Lauren isn't part of the show anymore while Ms. Alberghetti is still on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MetaXzero (talkcontribs) 17:55, 17 October 2011

No. Alberghetti did not say the spelling is Big Macintosh. She said "I believe it's Big MacIntosh". One, that is not the spelling you use, two, that is not a firm endorsement. You need to put things in proportion and stop using the lame excuse of "Faust doesn't work on the show anymore." –Throwawaytv 20:20, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
I don't get your first point of "That is not the spelling you use" unless you are getting at the lack of a capitalized I in my 2nd sentence. And I don't see how my point on Faust is "a lame excuse". She doesn't own the character and has no control over any changes that can happen to the character now. Her role in creating him means alot less when she's not in a position to say what he is currently.
Though since this is settled, no reason to continue this. The minds of those in power here are settled. MetaXzero (talkcontribs) 17:55, 17 October 2011
Seriously? "Changes"? You believe that Alberghetti changed the name of the character? God help you. –Throwawaytv 21:03, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
Where did I say it was Alberghetti specifically changing him? It could've been someone over her and she was just re-stating MacIntosh. And I'm not liking this condescending tone that you seem to be taking.
In the end though, it's done. It's staying McIntosh with no references to possible alternate names. As I said in my last post, no reason to continue this.MetaXzero 21:16, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
You're right, I apologize, the condescending tone was over the line. The point is, you're saying "I changed the title of the page because it could be that someone over Alberghetti changed the name of Big McIntosh." So. I hope you understand why that doesn't merit a mention, –Throwawaytv 21:30, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
I'm afraid I still don't understand why a current staff member saying a different spelling for a character is not at least worth mention in the article. But again, I won't continue this. Agree to disagree.MetaXzero 21:55, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
Here, try to understand. Is your assumption that they changed the spelling of the name sound? No, of course not. You're grasping at straws. There is no reason to believe they changed the spelling. –Throwawaytv 05:38, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
No reason? Like I already said, we are not going to agree on this. I just can't be satisfied with the change to McIntosh when the sole source is Faust's word as an ex-member of the staff while a current member of the staff says MacIntosh (which wasn't even a form of the name I thought about). In the end though, the topic here is done and the decision for the article is made. Our disagreements will just have to remain so unless something new pops up.MetaXzero 09:04, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
You believe they changed the spelling? –Throwawaytv 17:46, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
I think it's a possibility. Though honestly, I don't even think their is a legit spelling written on paper there. They may just put it however they each want whether it be McIntosh or MacIntosh. The spelling won't matter in conversation and on paper or computer, their is only on letter seperating the 2 so its easy to see who is being referred to.MetaXzero 18:01, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
"It's a possibility" doesn't cut it. –Throwawaytv 18:07, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I figured it'd at least deserve mention that another name is going around the staff. Well Sibsy responded to me again. http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1453017/2245154348#reply This time with certainty rather than "I believe". So either she really believes in her opinion or the name really is Big MacIntosh.

No, she simply stated that she did respond previously. –Throwawaytv 18:11, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1453017/2244832455

She's referring to the fact I asked again a few hours ago just to see if she was certain.MetaXzero 18:15, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
Okay. Finally. Names that go around the staff don't merit changing the title of the article. They might merit a mention if the character was unnamed. However, Big McIntosh is named, and the spelling is specified by the person who created the character. We don't need to mention "Big MacIntosh" for the same reason we don't need to mention "Applebloom" or "Philemena". –Throwawaytv 18:27, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
Their is 1 difference from the board examples and this one. She's actually declaring an official (or at least crew used) spelling rather then just putting a name for identification purposes on a storyboard. Rather then just writing/typing in passing where typos can happen but don't matter to them, she's specifically stating that the name is Big MacIntosh for the sake of clearing up spelling. In the end though, its your call, but just saying, the current crew says Big MacIntosh and Lauren Faust as an ex-crew member with no ownership of the character has no influence to be able to get the show to call him Big McIntosh. Meant to end this before, but that I didn't expect Sibsy to reply again since she didn't reply to my earlier clarification post a day ago. Just reposting this here for not wanting to leave this unreplied.
As I said in the comment section, Peace.MetaXzero 18:37, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
No. She is not declaring an official spelling. She is a storyboard artist. Faust, on the other hand, is the creator of the character. How can you possibly miss these points? –Throwawaytv 18:44, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
She's not the owner of the character. What she called him while she was on the crew and what she calls him now don't mean much compared to those who actually have influence on the show.
Though again, I already know this place is sticking with McIntosh. Just trying to end this.MetaXzero 18:59, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
Alberghetti does not name the characters. We've been through this. How can you not understand this is beyond me. –Throwawaytv 19:10, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
And Faust does not determine what the characters are called currently. We have indeed been through this several times. Like I said, we just aren't going to see eye to eye.MetaXzero 19:15, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
Are you suggesting that Big McIntosh's name has changed? Please, if the answer is "no", then stop arguing. –Throwawaytv 19:45, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

How about dis u stick wit Big Macintosh like u always did and keep it dat way.If Lauren says McIntosh ONCE!ONCE! no need for fightin like a crazy maniac.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.173.2.67 (talkcontribs) 19:53, 20 October 2011

Did you really need to delete the entire discussion while leaving such a poor sentence (seriously no offense) mysterious unsigned one? Topic was done with and its now just trying to close the book on this. Though I guess this works.MetaXzero 19:58, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
I agree with you that arguing over this makes me look like an idiot. I'm trying to make sure that Meta understands that "it's possible that the name was changed" is not a valid reason to change the page's title, "the crew spells it differently" is not a valid reason to change the page's title, and that in any case he changed the title to one that's different than the spelling that he is now championing on these feeble grounds. –Throwawaytv 20:02, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
The title change? This is what this is all about? The hasty change from a few days (or was it A day) ago?
I was wrong. I acted too hasty and should've had a discussion first and see how that turned out. That satisfy you? Were you worried I was going to be a repeat offender? Didn't you specifically tell me that on my own talk page? And I responded I'd remember that?MetaXzero 20:32, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
Now thats the Spirit!!If u want to know which the REAL name it is just ask Faust.But she problaby wont answer, cuz it looks like she has been not answerring other comments, i could be wrong.
By the way, sry for vandaling the page.I was just angry that everryone was all fighting over McIntosh and Macintosh and It wasn't vandalism if u get rid of a talk page U Can EASILY replace back like u did.
Im an actual person on the wiki here with an account, but i logged off to do it so i wouldn't get screamed at like i murdered somepony.So please with all due respect. {{subst:unsiged|71.173.2.67|20:28, 20 October 2011}}

Sources

Please note that when sources aren't sure, it means they aren't sure. Further edit-warring of Big McIntosh will get you blocked. Use discussion to settle disputes. –Throwawaytv 08:06, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

--will do mom

j/k. But I'll remember this in future endeavors —Preceding unsigned comment added by MetaXzero (talkcontribs) 19:16, 19 October 2011

Misinformation

If you keep spreading misinformation you will be blocked. Specifically: Do not insinuate that Big McIntosh's name has been changed unless you have a reliable source. Do not misrepresent what Alberghetti has posted as "it's in the script" unless you have a reliable source. Do not imply that names as they appear on the storyboards are more accurate than names given by Faust.

To make it absolutely clear:

  • If you want to say "the script for the episodes have it listed as 'MacIntosh'" provide a reliable source citing the script or you will be blocked.
  • If you want to say "influence on his name's spelling as it is after she left" provide a reliable source that the name has been changed or you will be blocked.

Provide these references or you will be blocked next time you bring up the subject. –Throwawaytv 10:52, October 26, 2011 (UTC)


I never misinterpreted her words. Alberghetti SPECIFICALLY said that MacIntosh is the name IN THE SCRIPT. Not a storyboard name, not a personal name, the SCRIPT name. I doubt her memory is that faulty that she can't remember if their is an A in Big M's name.

Anyway, I'm done with the subject in accordance with your last post there.MetaXzero 23:38, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I guess you didn't understand "provide references or you will be blocked." You misrepresented your information and you failed to provide reliable sources. –Throwawaytv 23:41, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
-- http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1453017/2244832455 Which apparently isn't a "reliable source" to you because you question her ability to remember if their is an "a" in a name or not. Anyway, it seems you blocked me and don't want me to ever return. So I guess we are done. This wikia's modding staff really dissapoints me.
--MetaXzero. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.252.21.119 (talkcontribs)
It's not a reliable source because you misrepresent the information as certain. It's also not a reliable source because Alberghetti spells "Apple Bloom" as "applebloom" and Philomena as "Philemina". You also haven't provided a reliable source that the name was changed. –Throwawaytv 23:55, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Still misrepresenting information

You can't misrepresent information on the wiki any more, but don't let that slow you down!

"Sabrina Alberghetti said it was Macintosh on her Deviantart"

Funny how you can't get the spelling right when you spent so much time in defense of Big MacIntosh.–Throwawaytv 23:07, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I found it really funny that you had the audacity to leave such comments on my page while making sure I couldn't respond for the last month. Regardless, I am not intending to open this discussion back up so please don't come back here. Big Mac is Big Mac and my account is unbanned. Just getting a final word for myself. MetaXzero 02:40, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Recent move

Why is an old and dead discussion on my page instead of being deleted if you didn't want it on the page it was concerning?MetaXzero 22:53, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Forum:Talk_pages_versus_comment_sections. –Throwawaytv 23:05, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

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